The Jazz thread ... all that Jazz

[SeaEagleRock8]

2 out of 2 now - Panthers and Cows

Bull starting ... Simpkins playing most of the game at dummy half ... and Jazz playing most as lock/middle

Could be a winning combination?

 

[Tragic Eagle]

Jazz had a great game after a very sloppy start at dummy half. Jake should be rested for a few weeks so Jazz back at 13.

 

[Nordburg]

2 out of 2 now - Panthers and Cows

Bull starting ... Simpkins playing most of the game at dummy half ... and Jazz playing most as lock/middle

Could be a winning combination?

Could be a winning combination if the coach allows it to continue, but……

 

[Rafferty]

Could be a winning combination if the coach allows it to continue, but……

Well even he should see it now, wasn’t just a one off v the riff, this week just adds the extra weight, but like you mention, over to Siebs……

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Well even he should see it now,

Even he? He's the one that picked them there!

There's also probably a bit of horses for courses about selections. Sharks have a monster pack, I watched most of their game v Storm and it was big boppers on both sides.

Also have to factor in unavailables, of which there's always several. eg Croker Paseka Aloai Sipley would give a totally different look to the pack.

Ideally some sort of balance. Eg, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing plenty of Navale by July, and his busy play and leg speed will be a plus for sure.

 

[Rafferty]

Even he? He's the one that picked them there!

There's also probably a bit of horses for courses about selections. Sharks have a monster pack, I watched most of their game v Storm and it was big boppers on both sides.

Also have to factor in unavailables, of which there's always several. eg Croker Paseka Aloai Sipley would give a totally different look to the pack.

Ideally some sort of balance. Eg, I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing plenty of Navale by July, and his busy play and leg speed will be a plus for sure.

Fair go, his had Simpkin at his disposal, but has opted to start Jazz all year, it wasn’t his first choice against the riff, nor last night, they were forced change around 9 and 13, but whatever you reckon.

 

[mickqld]

Can we finally finish the Jazz at #9 and Jake at #13 failed experiment. Jazz is a #13 and quite frankly Jake T is not anymore. He's a 20 minute middle at best. It's sad to see but we lose nothing if Jake is gone for a few weeks and we get Aloiai and Lodge back in the middles.

 

[XV-1]

Fair go, his had Simpkin at his disposal, but has opted to start Jazz all year, it wasn’t his first choice against the riff, nor last night, they were forced change around 9 and 13, but whatever you reckon.

100% agree.
Jazz is not a hooker, yet Seibold keeps picking him there. His distribution is schiit - even DCE joked about it in an interview last night.
Jazz is an extremely good ball playing lock - better than Jake.

Seibold is forced for the next couple of weeks to pick Simpkin and hooker and Jazz at lock. At least the right outcome.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Fair go, his had Simpkin at his disposal, but has opted to start Jazz all year, it wasn’t his first choice against the riff, nor last night, they were forced change around 9 and 13, but whatever you reckon.

Fair point

 

[Darren]

Pressure on when you are paying someone 950k and not starting him. The dangers of long term multi year contracts.

 

[Darren]

100% agree.
Jazz is not a hooker, yet Seibold keeps picking him there. His distribution is schiit - even DCE joked about it in an interview last night.
Jazz is an extremely good ball playing lock - better than Jake.

Seibold is forced for the next couple of weeks to pick Simpkin and hooker and Jazz at lock. At least the right outcome.

I wonder if DCE did this to make sure Seibold heard players joking about it. Not a bad slip. Coaches etc all talking about it. DCE wants Jake at hooker.

 

[XV-1]

I wonder if DCE did this to make sure Seibold heard players joking about it. Not a bad slip. Coaches etc all talking about it. DCE wants Jake at hooker.

Very astute reading between the lines there.
The week before DCE said in the pressr that they can keep using their attack to fix their defense. He reiterated it again last night that their win was on the back of their defense, not using their "weapons".

DCE arguably has a lot more footy brains than the coach so should be listened to.

 

[Stewbojevic]

Very astute reading between the lines there.
The week before DCE said in the pressr that they can keep using their attack to fix their defense. He reiterated it again last night that their win was on the back of their defense, not using their "weapons".

DCE arguably has a lot more footy brains than the coach so should be listened to.

How do you know he’s not saying this publicly now because the coach has said it behind the scenes?

It’s rare that players aren’t hand fed messages to say publicly.

Oh right… that doesn’t align with your agenda against the coach

 

[XV-1]

How do you know he’s not saying this publicly now because the coach has said it behind the scenes?

It’s rare that players aren’t hand fed messages to say publicly.

Oh right… that doesn’t align with your agenda against the coach

You mean like DCE going on channel 9?

Stop being a Seibold apologist.

All I want is Manly winning matches and so far they DCE comments after a loss and a win have has more merit than "weapons " that Seibold seems more to concentrate on.

 

[Heckenberg]

You mean like DCE going on channel 9?

Stop being a Seibold apologist.

All I want is Manly winning matches and so far they DCE comments after a loss and a win have has more merit than "weapons " that Seibold seems more to concentrate on.

Talk is cheap. Dce needs to lift his game

 

[Phobia]

I think Jazz at #9 had more to do with Simpkin than it did with Jazz. Something about him basically being MOTM against Penrith, running the ball often, and then the next week running it once, definitely ticked Seibold off. Benching him was probably just giving him a lesson, and he was more involved as a result.

I don't think we can afford starting Jazz at lock against better packs. Jake / Tevaga / Taukeiaho were absolutely burnt by AFB, Brailey and Hazelton in the opening 20 minutes of the Sharks game. Jake, along with slightly larger middles in Lodge, Aloiai, etc, are better suited to shoring up the middle in that opening 20. Tevaga doesn't have a strong enough running game to offset Jake's ineffectiveness running it then too. Without a strong running game in the opening period, we are constantly behind for the rest of the game.

For me, I think running Tevaga off the bench is our best option, like the Warriors did for most of his career. The game is a bit faster then, and Tevaga can do his best work against a less energetic middle. Same applies for Bullemor in my opinion, as Lodge is comparatively rubbish off the bench.