The Ox
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Yeah well there are so many reasons to dislike Ox. Captained Manly to 2 consecutive grand finals and 4 finals series, won 1 premiership, Dally M player of the year and captain WCC winning team. Some people are kidding themselves here criticising him he gave his all for Manly and we wouldn't have had that success without him.
ManlyBacker
Winging it
Thanks for that DSM5. 
It is like stepping back a year and nothing has changed.
It is like stepping back a year and nothing has changed.
Masked Eagle
Bencher
Chip & Chase link said:
We did move him on at the right time, but his 2009 season wasn't woeful. He probably had his worst half dozen games in a manly jersey in 09 but in between that I thought he was excellent and showed some real good leadership qualities.
Lets not forget we still finished 5th that season and got elimated when the top teams choked in the finals. Â We lost the first 4 games of that season but then went 14-6 for the rest of the year with Ox more than playing his part in most of those victories.
ManlyBacker
Winging it
Why don't you throw in Beaver's stats as well. It is only relevant if every player for Manly was Ox and his clone brothers. How many times is this going to be rehashed?
Rex
Bencher
By all means go ahead and throw in Beaver's stats, MB, but whose stats are relevant to this incessant whingeing about Orford?
Winning is the accepted measure of team success.Â
Since the NE debacle, Manly has proven to be a far more successful team when Orford was part of the team than when he wasn't. That's simple undisputable fact. Both before and after.
Winning is the accepted measure of team success.Â
Since the NE debacle, Manly has proven to be a far more successful team when Orford was part of the team than when he wasn't. That's simple undisputable fact. Both before and after.
Rex link said:
Don't let the truth get in the way of your theory. 2009 - Ox - 5th ? Shouldn't that read 2009 - Ox - 5th, thrashed ??
Maybe in your book getting 40 put on you in a semi isn't a thrashing.....but it is in mine.
We got owned by Dragons in 2006 as well.
COMMANDER
IF YOU DO NOT TRY YOU CAN NOT FAIL
Nice little piece in the Courier Mail today with OX complaining that he had been "ushered" out of Manly.
Love the guy for what he did for the club and is an absolute gentleman but 2009 was one year too many, how he's going to go two years on will be interesting to watch.
Love the guy for what he did for the club and is an absolute gentleman but 2009 was one year too many, how he's going to go two years on will be interesting to watch.
I never said it was Ox's fault we got thrashed, I was merely pointing out that a 40 point drubbing is a thrashing in my book.
Don't get your limitations confused with your expectations.
Don't get your limitations confused with your expectations.
Shane link said:
In that 2009 semi Ox had 1 hitup for 1 metre. As you said, don't let the truth get in the way of a good Ox defence, he was rubbish in that game.
I was and still am an Ox fan. His kicking except for short grubbers were rubbish, but he is a Manly great. He left at the right time. Ox wasn't ushered from the club at all. He was offered big money by Bradford and the club couldn't match. He chased the money and it backfired on him.
| Team | P | W | L | PD | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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6 | 5 | 1 | 59 | 12 |
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6 | 5 | 1 | 20 | 12 |
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6 | 4 | 2 | 53 | 10 |
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6 | 4 | 2 | 30 | 10 |
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7 | 4 | 2 | 25 | 9 |
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7 | 4 | 3 | 40 | 8 |
|
7 | 4 | 3 | 24 | 8 |
|
7 | 4 | 3 | -8 | 8 |
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7 | 4 | 3 | -18 | 8 |
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7 | 3 | 3 | 20 | 7 |
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7 | 3 | 4 | 31 | 6 |
|
7 | 3 | 4 | 17 | 6 |
|
6 | 2 | 4 | -31 | 6 |
|
7 | 3 | 4 | -41 | 6 |
|
7 | 2 | 5 | -29 | 4 |
|
6 | 1 | 5 | -102 | 4 |
|
6 | 0 | 6 | -90 | 2 |
