The problem with being an expert (circa 2019)

[ManlyTragic]

I keep telling my wife and anyone else that will listen ...If God made more people like me there would be a lot less arguments!

 

[Woodsie]

I was thinking the other day just how average most of the teams in this comp this year are.Apart from the roosters who look specials,everyone else looks like being vulnerable,even the storm who are winning are far from what they were.Teams struggle to maintain form for more than a couple of weeks,I think there is a dilution of talent in terms of proven depth and I don't think it takes much for a team to be sailing along and struggling soon after.The pace and intensity,power etc...is hard to maintain for weeks on end too. I think there is a serious lack of proven quality coaches too,everyone wants results now and no one seems to stick with a young/new coach,if they win they are safe for now,but if they lose then they are under immense scrutiny straight away.Years past you could name a whole bunch of proven quality coaches in the league,but this year when you look at the list the success level/experience seems threadbare.Hasler/Bellamy/Robinson are proven,Bennett is up and done but still has regular success(I am not talking about whether they are good coaches just proven/successful and experienced),but the rest are unproven or have had mixed results in the years they have been coaching and are therefore not considered successes and unless they show immediate success will probably be under threat.For me this is they way that things are going to continue no matter what,for all the reasons mentioned earlier it is hard for most coaches to be constantly successful and will have down years.I guess it is up to the front office as to how strong they are and whether they are prepared to stick with a coach through the lean times or cave in to outside pressures...For me (just my humble opinion) I don't think player ability changes at all,I think a player has ability or doesn't and often depends on what the coach wants or expects or how they are utilised.Parker started well on the left at centre,last year he was asked to play on the right outside of Suli on the wing and struggled,this year he is back on the left at centre and is playing well.Some coaches are good at recognizing a players abilities and how or whether it fits what they are looking for or whether it fits into what they want a player in a certain position to do(one mans trash is another mans treasure...) Better get used to a toss of a coin to pick a winner,doesn't help that refs have so much influence on momentum etc....Anyway long winded rant over....P.S. don't care for paragraphs,like it or lump it..

Entertaining rant ..... I have said before, that for any team to experience success many, many factors all have to align .... in the modern game it just seems form is that fickle that a sparrows fart can make a casastrophic difference .... weekly ..

PSS ...As far as paraagraphs go .... you will need to answer to @globaleagle

 

[Woodsie]

Good post Woodsie.

I believe that the problem can be put down to a sensationalist media culture in 2019. There are no grey areas to anything anymore and everything is black and white and really good or really bad.

The best two exhibits to examine are Andrew Voss and the special comments on Fox from the likes of Anasta, Hodges, Corey Parker and co. Every sentence they utter is a hyperbole of some sort. It's painful. The way Vossy carries on trying to manufacture excitement is horrifying to me. He trots out the lame "dad jokes" in between and that doesn't help either. But next time you hear him call a game, listen to how over the top everything is. Everything is "sensational" at the top of his voice....sometimes it is just a mandatory hit up and he will label the player an "absolute wrecking ball" or a player will run fast and he'll say "I thought it was Usain Bolt, OH MY GOD".

Then you have those NRL360 and Controversy Corner shows that hinge entirely on either pumping up someone's tires or slashing them completely until there is nothing left. Sack this person and that person, put this person in jail, sign this player up on a lifetime contract. It's just garbage.

When you go back and watch some of the "classic matches" on Foxtel, you hear the marked difference in the commentary. They used to just call the action as it happened, now they spend 3/4 of the match sensationalising the qualities of each player and commenting on how the season is going for each club. Call the bloody football game FFS.

Outstanding, best post in the history of forums ...

... and don't get me started on the Holden Cup .... 20 year olds being told they are future superstars ad nauseum ..... talk about a breeding ground for future mug lairs ....the only contribution most will make will be to make tattooists and hairdressers rich ....

 

[globaleagle]

Entertaining rant ..... I have said before, that for any team to experience success many, many factors all have to align .... in the modern game it just seems form is that fickle that a sparrows fart can make a casastrophic difference .... weekly ..

PSS ...As far as paraagraphs go .... you will need to answer to @globaleagle

Drives me crazy!

If people wanna break the rules... do it without paragraphs as I wont read the b/s if people can't hit enter once in awhile!

Note: Keeping in mind the Aussie sense of humour, I'll be reading posts without paragraphs for awhile as I'm sure you comedians will try and break the rules!

lol...

P.S. Jethro reads all, paragraphs or no!

 

[Shoe1]

Well the journos keep making ridiculous comments.

In the rumoured signings thread fitzgibbon is a good fit for Newcastle because he lives in Wollongong.

The ironstine rating is for the journo not you @globaleagle

It reminds me of when the polar bear’s move to north qld was a good idea because it would take him closer to family in qld. But they weren’t in nth qld.

And when Hayne’s move to western Sydney from the Gold Coast was so he could spend time with his child in Coffs Harbour.

 

[Kevinward777]

Entertaining rant ..... I have said before, that for any team to experience success many, many factors all have to align .... in the modern game it just seems form is that fickle that a sparrows fart can make a casastrophic difference .... weekly ..

PSS ...As far as paraagraphs go .... you will need to answer to @globaleagle

Melbourne and the Roosters have both experienced a feck load of alignment over the last fifteen years, considering the majority of deciders during that time period has featured at least one of them in it.

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Melbourne and the Roosters have both experienced a feck load of alignment over the last fifteen years, considering the majority of deciders during that time period has featured at least one of them in it.

And aren’t we sick of seeing them too??

I’m of the belief ( in my circa 2019 expert opinion) that the cap needs to be abandoned and replaced with a points based system to better spread the talent.

I was pleased to see that the idea is gaining some traction to with a story I read at the weekend about it being considered.

 

[Technical Coach]

Melbourne,Manly,Roosters over the last 10-15yrs have dominated the top end consistently enough, along with having the most attention to detail coaches in the game not just from a game plan perspective but the types of players worth developing in the recruitment stage be it body wise or skillset wise.

I have said it before but i think under Barrett and Bozo Manly really recruited well in the forwards department in terms of size and power and now adding hard working on the value side toilers to the mix of depth---i even said that when Manly were performing badly.

Manly lack creative attacking options on both sides of the ruck, Walker will add another option if he returns, can ball play as a third option at times while still playing centre if he gets early one on one ball.(doesn't have the pressures of playing 5/8 and can play what he see's)

Jake is developing well.

Manly are on the right path,as the variety of options improve and our ruck play is more inventive and crisp this squad can go a long way, Tom needs to develop more than just a middle third explosive player as i don't rate his footwork and ball playing along with his outside line running.

 

[Technical Coach]

And aren’t we sick of seeing them too??

I’m of the belief ( in my circa 2019 expert opinion) that the cap needs to be abandoned and replaced with a points based system to better spread the talent.

I was pleased to see that the idea is gaining some traction to with a story I read at the weekend about it being considered.

No caps, no point system let the strongest survive.

You don't see Brisbane winning many comps these days and are seen as the wealthiest club, money doesn't fix everything if you don't really know what really works/what is really required.

Having money makes a real difference when you are playing a sport that is less structured and players can move around showing off their talent,skillset and vision (Soccer,AFL,Basketball) Basketball to a lesser degree due to zoning and structured offense and defense but the off the ball movement is not linear like Rugby League.

Melb and Manly really are the pioneers of exposing the semi professional flaws and deficiencies of the past eras, Roosters, Souths and the Cowboys showed what power and size can add to the mix to differentiate themselves from the pack.

Now all teams have structure, power and size, what separates the teams now is off the ball movement and attacking variety/options on "each play" settling for settlers and under plays is not good enough.

Defensive composure and making the right decisions is the platform that keeps you in games for the opportunity to win them, not the reason you win games.(effort in defense is a good indicator your squads mindset is where it should be at)

 

[Harvies elbow]

I think the problem with today's experts is that they aren't experts.
Back in the 70s you could name half a dozen respected league scribes straight up.
Prenter, Clarkson, Frilingos, Heads, Mordey, Tressider and throw in Hyde and Mossop and yes our very own Zorba for good measure.
And they were experts because as well as knowing the game, they knew the players.
They would have a beer with them after the game, during the week, have a meal and ring them at home or at work for comment.
They were trusted too.
Because if they were going to write something a player might not like they would check with them and re check their facts before doing so.
But they didn't drop the players in it like now.
Because they knew the players had families and jobs and weren't making that much out of the game.
But also they didn't write sh*t because they didn't have the instant access to just shoot their mouth off like now.
Now it's almost a race.
Back then it had to be right by the next days print.
Now I reckon Malcolm Knox and Crawley are about the best. Just my opinion that.
The vast majority of the rest are trough lollies...

 

[ManEagle]

To much money involved to get the Scoop
To many egos trying to be the first
To much white anting for personal agendas

This all leads to what every female ( and I guess gay males too ) hates the most
That is right
too much "premature speculation"
Leading to all these outlandish comments and labels of immortals for good players, Super Coach for a coach with State of Origin sides for a club team, etc etc.

 

[Shoe1]

I think the problem with today's experts is that they aren't experts.
Back in the 70s you could name half a dozen respected league scribes straight up.
Prenter, Clarkson, Frilingos, Heads, Mordey, Tressider and throw in Hyde and Mossop and yes our very own Zorba for good measure.
And they were experts because as well as knowing the game, they knew the players.
They would have a beer with them after the game, during the week, have a meal and ring them at home or at work for comment.
They were trusted too.
Because if they were going to write something a player might not like they would check with them and re check their facts before doing so.
But they didn't drop the players in it like now.
Because they knew the players had families and jobs and weren't making that much out of the game.
But also they didn't write sh*t because they didn't have the instant access to just shoot their mouth off like now.
Now it's almost a race.
Back then it had to be right by the next days print.
Now I reckon Malcolm Knox and Crawley are about the best. Just my opinion that.
The vast majority of the rest are trough lollies...

Great post. Who are half the commentators these days. It’s embarrassing. At least in the 70s they all were fat guys with broken noses. And we could trust what they said. Now there are heaps of pretty boys.

 

[Shoe1]

I should add I’d be fine with fat girls with broken noses too if they are experts

 

[Jethro]

Drives me crazy!


P.S. Jethro reads all, paragraphs or no!

That's news to me. If I start reading one of those big block paragraph posts, the first sentence registers as legible text but everything after that just seems like blah blah blah blah until I skip to the end to see if that part is worth reading and if not then I just skip to the next post.

I'm more of a one sentence paragraph, enter, enter, next sentence paragraph reader myself to keep my interest in what is being written..

 

[niccipops]

 

[mickqld]

.......... And when can the bunker get involved without actually being called upon by the on field refs?

When they see the opportunity to screw Manly over by giving the goons a bullsht tripping penalty and not seeing a blatant escort penalty.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Maybe
the
need
for
constant
paragraphs
is
the
early
onset
of
senility
as
the
ability
to
focus
is
being
lost
with
the
loss
of
braincells
maybe
it
is
just
old
man
fussiness
or
OCD?

 

[Mark from Brisbane]

Maybe
the
need
for
constant
paragraphs
is
the
early
onset
of
senility
as
the
ability
to
focus
is
being
lost
with
the
loss
of
braincells
maybe
it
is
just
old
man
fussiness
or
OCD?

Or maybe paragraphs are over rated!!

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

On the contrary, paragraphs are essential to meaningful discourse. Without them, just like @Jethro said, everything becomes a blur, seriously, who is going to wade through a block of text? Civilisation will crumble before our eyes.

 

[Shoe1]

I keep telling my wife and anyone else that will listen ...If God made more people like me there would be a lot less arguments!

Fewer arguments