Three players set to be targeted by ASADA over use of banned peptide CJC-1295

[lsz]

Well that goes some of the way to justify the initial hype
Also interesting that the afl has now dealt with the issue and it will not drag on for another year....

 

[HappilyManly]

The Fans of Essendon are the real losers in this.

The Scum Fans, unbeknown to them, enjoyed their Team illegaly win a GF, and then had a choice to attend games, knowing that the Team was not going to make another GF the year that the NRL caught them.

In this instance, the Essendon Fans bought Memberships and had 6 months of uncertainty, now they have to suffer the rest of the AFL Season with nothing to cheer

The AFL should have forced Essendon to refund all Memberships instead of taking the $2 million for themselves

 

[Hamster Huey]

It would appear that the punishment is a case of poor bookkeeping by the Bombers on their program. In essence, Hird and his staff got done for the level of ignorance they showed to the administration of the drugs, of which there is no evidence the club did take anything illegal.

I would then get the sense that Manly were cleared quickly because of the records provided to ASADA/ARLC that showed what was administered to who, and when. Something that is clearly an issue for the Sharks with suggestions the poor off-field management contributed to a lack of evidence against illegal supplements being used, even if none were.

 

[Rex]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

 

[manlyfan76]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

 

[The Who]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Where is all the evidence of match fixing that was touted as 'the blackest day in Australian sport'?
I have always viewed this unsubstantiated allegation as more serious than clubs giving players drugs to heal injuries faster and make them better players.

 

[Brissie Kid]

Jeff Kennett absolutely gives it to the AFL for going soft on Essendon.

[video=youtube]http://youtu.be/D3UOcFs1pa0[/video]

 

[Hamster Huey]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

 

[Rex]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Where is all the evidence of match fixing that was touted as 'the blackest day in Australian sport'?
I have always viewed this unsubstantiated allegation as more serious than clubs giving players drugs to heal injuries faster and make them better players.

Touted? By who? A nobody.

The media latched onto a quote by a nobody because it served their narrow interests. You can see that? Right?

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Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

Very funny HH. You must think silvertails readers all idiots to believe that puerile spiel.

Essendon negotiated a $2m fine, exclusion from the final series and loss of draft picks for two years because they admitted they had sloppy records? lol.

Hird negotiated a personal one year suspension because of the same, and he doesn't even keep the records. Not to mention the assistant coach negotiating a personal $30k fine. etc. lol.

The other 17 clubs and the players association supported the decision. The AFL were unambiguous about guilt, including endangerment of players.

Too hard to admit you painted yourself into an uncomfortable corner HH?

 

[Masked Eagle]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

A conspiracy theorist might join the dots that the reason the Bombers don’t have the records is that they were tipped off to the impending announcement and then somehow lost the records before self reporting.

Whilst Essendon don’t claim to have the records there is at least circumstantial evidence to suggest they did purchase certain substances which is what ASADA has been investigating. Whether that be from text messages, player consent forms, invoices from suppliers etc, some of which is disputed. In particular the invoices as from what I’ve read the company apparently re-issued at the behest of Dank. There is also a few substances that aren’t disputed to have been injected. The dispute is around the classification under the anti-doping code at the time of injection.

 

[1947]

28 August 2013 marks the day that CONCLUDES the interviews of 31 NRL players. :s

 

[Brissie Kid]

Bit laughable watching some in the media trying to say Sharks will cop what Essendon has. For starters Essendon had a 12 months inhouse program involving the whole playing squad. The Sharks had weeks, some players but not all and lot of doubt of who in the club knew what.

They also forget the Essendon program was in 2012, uncovered in early 2013 and punished for season 2013.

The Sharks was in 2011. So if points are to be removed as a penalty, what season should cop it? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? The further you get away from 2011 the more you are punishing an entirely different group of players and officials.

The media will focus on 2013 Sharks as they are a big chance of going well in the finals.

But say, just for example, it was suddenly found Manly 2011 or Dragons 2010 had a drug issue. Would the media say that their punishment should be stripping of 2013 points and trophies? No way. They would be saying it has to be the season the drugs were taken, and probably 2013 on top of it.

But nothing so far shows the Sharks club deserves missing the 2013 finals.

If ASADA brings out a report in 2014 about Sharks 2011 that warrants severe NRL penalties like Esendon, why should the Sharks lose their 2013 premiership title if they win it?

 

[Hamster Huey]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Where is all the evidence of match fixing that was touted as 'the blackest day in Australian sport'?
I have always viewed this unsubstantiated allegation as more serious than clubs giving players drugs to heal injuries faster and make them better players.

Touted? By who? A nobody.

The media latched onto a quote by a nobody because it served their narrow interests. You can see that? Right?

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Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

Very funny HH. You must think silvertails readers all idiots to believe that puerile spiel.

Essendon negotiated a $2m fine, exclusion from the final series and loss of draft picks for two years because they admitted they had sloppy records? lol.

Hird negotiated a personal one year suspension because of the same, and he doesn't even keep the records. Not to mention the assistant coach negotiating a personal $30k fine. etc. lol.

The other 17 clubs and the players association supported the decision. The AFL were unambiguous about guilt, including endangerment of players.

Too hard to admit you painted yourself into an uncomfortable corner HH?

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The issue between us has always been about the reasoning for the language used that date, compared to what was likely to fall out of the matter.

Imagine if Clare and Lundy used rhetoric in line with what we've just seen fall out of the Bombers situation, with potential for the Sharks;

There wouldn't have been heads of the Rugby, Football or Cricket code bought into the discussion;
The heads of both the AFL and NRL could have noted that the impact is limited to one club from each competition, with a potential for a handful of individuals;
The serious matters would be related to poor management and oversight of programs; and
We wouldn't have heard the plethora of other accusations concerning such elements as match-fixing and betting manipulation.

In essence, I stand by my initial stance that the efforts by the likes of Clare and Lundy to create a more serious situation, against the realities of what was known then (and panned out now), was a cheap political stunt.

Clare and Lundy created the environment in which the previous head of ASADA was compelled to state this was the 'blackest day in sport'. Rusted-ons like you followed them over that cliff and fail to realise the mis-match between the severity suggested by the ministers, and what was actually in play.

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Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

A conspiracy theorist might join the dots that the reason the Bombers don’t have the records is that they were tipped off to the impending announcement and then somehow lost the records before self reporting.

Whilst Essendon don’t claim to have the records there is at least circumstantial evidence to suggest they did purchase certain substances which is what ASADA has been investigating. Whether that be from text messages, player consent forms, invoices from suppliers etc, some of which is disputed. In particular the invoices as from what I’ve read the company apparently re-issued at the behest of Dank. There is also a few substances that aren’t disputed to have been injected. The dispute is around the classification under the anti-doping code at the time of injection.

Which brings to the point MM, what solid evidence was there for the conference to be called, and the language used.

Essendon have fallen on their sword finally, but we still have innuendo, suggestions, allegations, dispute and circumstancial elements floating around. Again, little of which matches Febs presser.

I don't understand how anybody that saw Clare and Lundy throw around all sorts of bad news on sport, lumping any and everyone to serious accusations, can not appreciate the problem with their over-the-top nature when they consider how quickly Manly were assumed into the problem and the lingering doubts many still felt even when the ASADA camp moved on.

The conference was too soon, excessive and emotive. That was my stance then and nothing in the Essendon fallout yet convinces me otherwise, as much as that grates on Rex.

 

[Masked Eagle]

Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Where is all the evidence of match fixing that was touted as 'the blackest day in Australian sport'?
I have always viewed this unsubstantiated allegation as more serious than clubs giving players drugs to heal injuries faster and make them better players.

Touted? By who? A nobody.

The media latched onto a quote by a nobody because it served their narrow interests. You can see that? Right?

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Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

Very funny HH. You must think silvertails readers all idiots to believe that puerile spiel.

Essendon negotiated a $2m fine, exclusion from the final series and loss of draft picks for two years because they admitted they had sloppy records? lol.

Hird negotiated a personal one year suspension because of the same, and he doesn't even keep the records. Not to mention the assistant coach negotiating a personal $30k fine. etc. lol.

The other 17 clubs and the players association supported the decision. The AFL were unambiguous about guilt, including endangerment of players.

Too hard to admit you painted yourself into an uncomfortable corner HH?

---

The issue between us has always been about the reasoning for the language used that date, compared to what was likely to fall out of the matter.

Imagine if Clare and Lundy used rhetoric in line with what we've just seen fall out of the Bombers situation, with potential for the Sharks;

There wouldn't have been heads of the Rugby, Football or Cricket code bought into the discussion;
The heads of both the AFL and NRL could have noted that the impact is limited to one club from each competition, with a potential for a handful of individuals;
The serious matters would be related to poor management and oversight of programs; and
We wouldn't have heard the plethora of other accusations concerning such elements as match-fixing and betting manipulation.

In essence, I stand by my initial stance that the efforts by the likes of Clare and Lundy to create a more serious situation, against the realities of what was known then (and panned out now), was a cheap political stunt.

Clare and Lundy created the environment in which the previous head of ASADA was compelled to state this was the 'blackest day in sport'. Rusted-ons like you followed them over that cliff and fail to realise the mis-match between the severity suggested by the ministers, and what was actually in play.

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Nice spin HH. Never admit you were wrong eh?

Please.

In the end it was poor record keeping, and lax controls by the Essendon hierarchy. There is still NO evidence of illegal drugs being used, with the AFL settling for a generic 'game into disrepute' charge.

None of what has come out yet matches the rhetoric of Clare, Lundy and various rusted-ons that supported that politicking at the expense of sport, that day.

A conspiracy theorist might join the dots that the reason the Bombers don’t have the records is that they were tipped off to the impending announcement and then somehow lost the records before self reporting.

Whilst Essendon don’t claim to have the records there is at least circumstantial evidence to suggest they did purchase certain substances which is what ASADA has been investigating. Whether that be from text messages, player consent forms, invoices from suppliers etc, some of which is disputed. In particular the invoices as from what I’ve read the company apparently re-issued at the behest of Dank. There is also a few substances that aren’t disputed to have been injected. The dispute is around the classification under the anti-doping code at the time of injection.

Which brings to the point MM, what solid evidence was there for the conference to be called, and the language used.

Essendon have fallen on their sword finally, but we still have innuendo, suggestions, allegations, dispute and circumstancial elements floating around. Again, little of which matches Febs presser.

I don't understand how anybody that saw Clare and Lundy throw around all sorts of bad news on sport, lumping any and everyone to serious accusations, can not appreciate the problem with their over-the-top nature when they consider how quickly Manly were assumed into the problem and the lingering doubts many still felt even when the ASADA camp moved on.

The conference was too soon, excessive and emotive. That was my stance then and nothing in the Essendon fallout yet convinces me otherwise, as much as that grates on Rex.

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The press conference was a mistake. If anything I think its made the investigation process harder.

 

[Class of 96]

Bit laughable watching some in the media trying to say Sharks will cop what Essendon has. For starters Essendon had a 12 months inhouse program involving the whole playing squad. The Sharks had weeks, some players but not all and lot of doubt of who in the club knew what.

They also forget the Essendon program was in 2012, uncovered in early 2013 and punished for season 2013.

The Sharks was in 2011. So if points are to be removed as a penalty, what season should cop it? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? The further you get away from 2011 the more you are punishing an entirely different group of players and officials.

The media will focus on 2013 Sharks as they are a big chance of going well in the finals.

But say, just for example, it was suddenly found Manly 2011 or Dragons 2010 had a drug issue. Would the media say that their punishment should be stripping of 2013 points and trophies? No way. They would be saying it has to be the season the drugs were taken, and probably 2013 on top of it.

But nothing so far shows the Sharks club deserves missing the 2013 finals.

If ASADA brings out a report in 2014 about Sharks 2011 that warrants severe NRL penalties like Esendon, why should the Sharks lose their 2013 premiership title if they win it?

Good thoughts BK. But may I suggest you drifted into the land of fiction in that last sentence, suggesting the Sharks may win a title.

 

[globaleagle]

Hey @Dan tell these guys to stop pyramid quoting!

ta

-everyone

 

[Dan]

Hey @Dan tell these guys to stop pyramid quoting!

ta

-everyone

I think you just did

 

[Hamster Huey]

The press conference was a mistake. If anything I think its made the investigation process harder.

Agreed.

 

[Class of 96]

What is pyramid quoting?

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Ah, all good. Just consulted the Urban Dictionary.

Shocking crime that (and can see how it pisses people off

 

[globaleagle]

What is pyramid quoting?

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Ah, all good. Just consulted the Urban Dictionary.

Shocking crime that (and can see how it pisses people off

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I know! Can be really annoying hey!

heehee