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47MVEagle
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Yeah no worries mate, good to see you bow out so gracefully - oh wait…
I know Ill regret this, so que the leftist pile on, but I do wonder how all you TDS suffers will feel if Trump manages to get this Hamas Israel deal done? Will you give him any credit for it, or how about some credit for even trying?
Or will you take the laughable and arguably destructive attempt, by the look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia " recognizing the nonexistent state of Palestine with its nonexistent government " view thats what pushed the deal over the line, what a joke 🙂
Anyways Im sure there is a few of you clearer thinkers that will give him some begrudging credit, while there will be a rabid nest of others who even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .
On other matters very pleased with Kobes efforts yesterday, although not happy to hear that he needs some sort of operation on his hip
Or will you take the laughable and arguably destructive attempt, by the look at me I'm the accidental PM of Aushstralia " recognizing the nonexistent state of Palestine with its nonexistent government " view thats what pushed the deal over the line, what a joke 🙂
Anyways Im sure there is a few of you clearer thinkers that will give him some begrudging credit, while there will be a rabid nest of others who even if he cured cancer would still criticize him relentlessly .
On other matters very pleased with Kobes efforts yesterday, although not happy to hear that he needs some sort of operation on his hip
How is Albanese 'accidental'? Didn't he absolutely decimate the Libs, to the point the party's future is on life support?
As for Trump, so far as I'm concerned he's complicit in Netanyahu's genocide, he could have reined that monster in a long time ago but he gave him free reign to do what he's done.
To give him credit for peace now would be akin to giving him credit for peace with Iran on the basis he bombed them then stopped bombing them, voila, peace.
Mate if he cures cancer ...??
He wants pregnant women to suffer dangerous fevers rather than take a safe drug. He's appointed a vaccine-sceptic psycho as his health secretary. If he has any positive achievements at all its highly unlikely to be in the health field.
47MVEagle
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I stopped reading here because in your mind, anyone who isn’t a fervent cult member who thinks Trump lays golden eggs apparently suffers from derangement.
What is your opinion on Trump ignoring a Supreme Court judge’s ruling & sending the military into Oregon to deal with what he claims are domestic terrorists (antifa) - when in actual fact it’s people demonstrating against the ICE detention facilities there?
Not all right-aligned folk willingly support genocide / rewriting history. If you were ever actually confronted with one I also suspect you would snap out of it. The rest of this is a bit of a late night rant, so forgive me where it is sloppy.
Given the state of that post it appears you are just totally out of the loop / naive to any of the historical context to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Trump's involved so time to hop in I guess. Seems an awful lot like a pattern with MAGAts. Loudest in the room but seldom something is actually said.
US has propped up and aided Israel for half a century. Other US presidents have terribly failed the Palestinian people on several occasions. Yet that does not absolve Trump from overseeing an escalating genocide for 9 months. It says something that Israel felt so untethered. Trump's only tangible contributions leading up to this point have been to suck up to Israel; from supporting their reckless motivations in Iran to spreading stupid narcissistic **** like this,
US people have begun learning about the Palestinian situation in recent years (as have many who are online, viewing the clips). For the first time even the Americans are starting to make some noise about it all. The international community is well ahead of them and increasingly vocal. This issue is now at the doorstep of Netanyahu and Trump; I don't expect they can ignore it much longer. Netanyahu will push the limits though, and Trump's weak attempts at resolving the Russian-Ukranian conflict give him confidence to delay and ignore US rhetoric.
As for this peace plan offered by the US, it essentially just rehashes elements of the 1993 Oslo accord agreements. While nothing in it suggests Trump had any direct role in its creation, it is the a move in the right direction. One mistake it makes is not acknowledging Israel's role in the conflict pre 2023 (apartheid, displacement, oppression). I also see some potentially serious flaws with certain points and am a bit concerned it may just be for show.
For example, point 4 requests that all hostages be returned dead or alive else the 'final solution' continues. Half of the hostages are likely buried deep in rubble at this point as a result of Israel's bombings. Is this a genuine sticking point? Point 7, why wait for the agreement to send in aid? ****ing war crime in writing right there. Point 13 is good (the way it was heading before Netenyahu got involved). Point 16 pretends that Israel isn't a guarded fortress already. Point 19 appears to allude to a two-state solution; though it is terribly ambiguous. Such ambiguity is a huge problem in peace agreements (Palestinians have heard empty promises for decades while their living situation has worsened indefinitely). There has not been hope for a Palestinian child born since the 1970s, less so today.
The west has for so long parroted the US stance. What I can thank Trump for is that he has brought the US down to such a low point that western leaders now reject and/or ignore the de facto US position and act for themselves, thus applying pressure back on the US. We should not be tied to the actions of the US, nor the Israeli state. I don't care if you like our leader or not, it is not his fault you are not informed at this point in time.
Doesn't have to always be that way, I find this video is a good start (focused more on recent times)
West Bank (not Gaza): watch the first few mins at least
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Cliffycomeback
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While the casualties in Gaza are horrific, they are nowhere near a level which would be considered genocidal. 60000 deaths out of a population of 2.42 million people is hardly genocide. The real genocide is occuring in Africa where Christians are being slaughtered by Muslims. Funnily enough, I am yet to read of any outrage about this on here or from the left in general.
Cliffycomeback
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Out of interest, what do you think of Hamas? What do you think about the slaughter that occured on October the 7th in Israel? What solution do you propose for peace when Israel is surrounded by nations who are bent on the destruction of everything they have built since 1948?
Cliffycomeback
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Cliffycomeback
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Bill Maher is no right wing media puppet. He calls out the hypocrisy of what is happening in Nigeria in 5he video above.
Adz
Reserve Grader
If you do a little research you will find that Christians and Muslims in Nigeria have been at odds for decades.Both sides have claimed genocide over the years.
Interesting that these claims have occurred just after Nigeria supported a 2 state solution in Palestine.
Maybe Billy boy is a little uninformed?
Cliffycomeback
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Please provide any evidence of Christians murdering Muslims. What a load of rubbish. You are the uninformed one. Either that or you're just filled with hatred. There is literally thousands of articles on this. When I typed Muslims being killed by Christians in Africa, the articles below show up. There are many more but none claiming Christians are murdering Muslims funnily enough.
You are dishonest @Adz
Nigeria ‘an epicentre of Christian martyrdom’ says Aid to the Church…
Through our various ministries and agencies, we exist to serve the people of God, enabling the Gospel of Jesus Christ to come alive in our local community.
melbournecatholic.org
Christians slaughtered in Nigeria – You can help defend them
What can you do to help Christians facing relentless Islamist violence?
Christians 'are being wiped out' in Nigeria as millions face death: NGOs
Newsweek has spoken to Nigerian activists to find out more about the violence facing Christians in the country.
www.newsweek.com
Bill Maher Condemns Media Silence on Christian Genocide in Nigeria: 'Systematic Killing'
Comedian and HBO host Bill Maher — an atheist — is sounding the alarm on behalf of Christians.
He’s Christian. In Nigeria, That Meant Torture and Prison.
Churches destroyed, hundreds massacred, millions displaced—Nigeria’s Christians face relentless persecution. One man who survived torture and prison for helping converts escape explains what’s at stake.
www.thefp.com
KLEIN: Nigeria is erasing its Christians — and Canada is looking away
Kevin Klein warns that Nigeria is the deadliest place for Christians, with over 100,000 killed since 2009, and says Canada must stop looking away. Read more.
52,000 Christians Have Been Murdered in Nigeria — Why Is Nobody Talking About It? - RELEVANT
Nigeria has become one of the most dangerous places in the world to be a Christian. Human rights groups estimate more than 52,000 Christians have been
relevantmagazine.com
Fulani Jihadists Massacre Over 200 Christians In Nigeria
TruthNigeriaJune 14, 2025By Mike Odeh James and Olikita EkaniCholera and Typhoid Epidemic Feared for Survivors(Makurdi, Nigeria) – In the early hours of Friday, June 13, 2025, more than 200 Christian villagers were slaughtered by heavily armed Fulani jihadists in Yelwata, a farming community in...
www.genocidewatch.com
Adz
Reserve Grader
Lol,filled with hatred?Please provide any evidence of Christians murdering Muslims. What a load of rubbish. You are the uninformed one. Either that or you're just filled with hatred. There is literally thousands of articles on this. When I typed Muslims being killed by Christians in Africa, the articles below show up. There are many more but none claiming Christians are murdering Muslims funnily enough.
You are dishonest @Adz
Nigeria ‘an epicentre of Christian martyrdom’ says Aid to the Church…
Through our various ministries and agencies, we exist to serve the people of God, enabling the Gospel of Jesus Christ to come alive in our local community.
Christians slaughtered in Nigeria – You can help defend them
What can you do to help Christians facing relentless Islamist violence?www.barnabasaid.org
Christians 'are being wiped out' in Nigeria as millions face death: NGOs
Newsweek has spoken to Nigerian activists to find out more about the violence facing Christians in the country.
Bill Maher Condemns Media Silence on Christian Genocide in Nigeria: 'Systematic Killing'
Comedian and HBO host Bill Maher — an atheist — is sounding the alarm on behalf of Christians.cbn.com
He’s Christian. In Nigeria, That Meant Torture and Prison.
Churches destroyed, hundreds massacred, millions displaced—Nigeria’s Christians face relentless persecution. One man who survived torture and prison for helping converts escape explains what’s at stake.
KLEIN: Nigeria is erasing its Christians — and Canada is looking away
Kevin Klein warns that Nigeria is the deadliest place for Christians, with over 100,000 killed since 2009, and says Canada must stop looking away. Read more.winnipegsun.com
52,000 Christians Have Been Murdered in Nigeria — Why Is Nobody Talking About It? - RELEVANT
Nigeria has become one of the most dangerous places in the world to be a Christian. Human rights groups estimate more than 52,000 Christians have been
Fulani Jihadists Massacre Over 200 Christians In Nigeria
TruthNigeriaJune 14, 2025By Mike Odeh James and Olikita EkaniCholera and Typhoid Epidemic Feared for Survivors(Makurdi, Nigeria) – In the early hours of Friday, June 13, 2025, more than 200 Christian villagers were slaughtered by heavily armed Fulani jihadists in Yelwata, a farming community in...
What a load of rubbish.
I have no care if idiots want to kill each other because the other group believes in a different sky fairy and they can't accept it.
Check the full history of Nigeria.
Cliffycomeback
Reserve Grader
What do all the Democrat supporters think of this? Five times Israel has agreed to a two state solution but the Palestinians rejected it. As per Bill Clinton.
60,000 is the confirmed count through public / private hospitals. But if you watch that drone shot it will become apparent that only a portion of victims will be getting to the hospitals at all. Many hospitals have also been blown up by Israel.
Touched on this a few posts ago somewhere but there is something known as the direct deaths : indirect deaths ratio. There’s starvation, lack of water supply (has been cut off in many regions), open sewage, almost non-existent healthcare (report from October 2024 (!!!) was that just 17/36 hospitals in Gaza remained operational). That figure likely has dwindled further. As a result, disease will be a non-trivial factor and I imagine only a small percent end up in hospitals.
Estimates that factor in indirect deaths, as well as uncertainty surrounding current figures were arriving at figures in excess of 180,000 in late 2024. Since then, the intensity has increased and international reporters still have been barred access. As I noted recently, no one is digging through the rubble to count each death. The 60,000 figure is doing far more harm than good at this stage, but given there’s no way to count bodies you don’t have, I understand it requires international intervention to truly learn the scale of what has happened in Gaza
**** sake,
Again it is so mind numbingly sad that this is being politicised. Every democrat and republican has been woeful in their efforts. Today, around 300 house republicans and democrats are funded ~ 100K+ on average. Israeli influence has been increasingly strong amongst US Politicians since the 70s). Most current democrats vote for pro-Israeli agenda (all republicans). It has been that way since almost forever in the US (since period where Israel was used as a Cold War proxy)
Search up Bill Clinton’s messaging on the conflict
Search up the 1993 Oslo Accords. Watch that short documentary I provided. Search up the agreed green line and what happened to it today (I’ll include video for that below too). Search up Israel’s policy regarding the two state solution over the past 30 years (of particular interest is the Netanyahu period)
It’s such a complex conflict, it really warrants watching a few documentaries or reading quite a bit to get the background understanding necessary to watch videos such as that and not just take it at face value
The problem with peace is that it has to be a two-way deal. Palestinians began pushing for peace deals in the 70’s (see Arafat’s 1974 UN olive branch speech on behalf of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation). After the 93 Oslo accords and subsequent rise in Israeli and Muslim religious fundamentalist terrorist attacks it forced Israel to finally step in and begin the process; granting the Palestinian Authority some governance of the occupied West Bank and Gazan territories.
Netanyahu then assisted the rise of Hamas, making it policy to divide the Palestinian communities to prevent the two state solution (there are formal records of this). If you watch the documentary below you will see that they remain occupied and under a system of apartheid today. Palestinian areas were walled off and left undeveloped. The Israeli military patrol the streets and regularly shut down areas to walk Jewish settlers through towns. Meanwhile Israeli’s have been
Im going to stop myself here, I haven’t even really gotten to the crux of my point. I don’t care about your politics. Whether you have a genuine interest in this or not, I think it is well worth your while to give it a minute or your day to watch through a documentary or two. I have plugged this one many times before, but it really is a great starting point as it is related more to the current situation, doesn’t get lost in the details and is a short watch (29min)
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manly al
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Probably should have been handled much better back when the British had essentially full control over the greater Palestine region just after W W 2 After 3 or so years of trying to supress a Jewish armed attempt to establish a Jewish state there , finally relented with no real or measured plan or international plan to accommodate the fall out with the forced relocation then of tens of thousands of Palestinians to cater for a new Jewish homeland
After the Holacast, certainly a case to provide a safer Jewish sanctuary somewhere , and there were some suggestions of alternative various locations apart from what was then the greater Palestine region
Pretty much a battle weary world also and naturally just after W W 2 but the Poms and the U S with the means to still have the main clout there at the time , just became more focussed in allowing the establishment of Israel then any practical considerations or surety for a self determining Palestinian state there as well
Had the capacity with peace keeping forces combined and gradually other countries could have participated , then cold war politics kicked in and latter religion extremism also and then just became too polarised there and up until recent times
Credit to Trump on a few levels with this recent proposal to improve matters there , not totally his concept but with a bit of resolve by the main players there , could just have something going for it
Maybe not a total genocide motivation for Gaza residents for many months now but pretty close to it and that can never be justified
After the Holacast, certainly a case to provide a safer Jewish sanctuary somewhere , and there were some suggestions of alternative various locations apart from what was then the greater Palestine region
Pretty much a battle weary world also and naturally just after W W 2 but the Poms and the U S with the means to still have the main clout there at the time , just became more focussed in allowing the establishment of Israel then any practical considerations or surety for a self determining Palestinian state there as well
Had the capacity with peace keeping forces combined and gradually other countries could have participated , then cold war politics kicked in and latter religion extremism also and then just became too polarised there and up until recent times
Credit to Trump on a few levels with this recent proposal to improve matters there , not totally his concept but with a bit of resolve by the main players there , could just have something going for it
Maybe not a total genocide motivation for Gaza residents for many months now but pretty close to it and that can never be justified
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