John Hopoate Blocked By The NRL

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Seems like the nrl are floundering around trying to save face.

Gee it makes them look like a well run professional organisation transcending petty tribal bias......not.
 
Not quite the translation I'm familiar with Moondog. And a small fish, of course, needs to be cooked with a great deal of care, subtlety and attention. Brute power and lack of attention is sure to ruin the meal. Just like Greenberg has done here. So yes, I agree.
I must admit that was from the Moondog translation which bears only a tenuous link to the original.
 
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Hubbard started that crazy pseudo religious nonsense that has Tom Cruise behaving out of his tree, didnt he?
 
Hubbard started that crazy pseudo religious nonsense that has Tom Cruise behaving out of his tree, didnt he?
That's why he is a "genius", he has managed to take a Sci Fi book and turn it into a religion duping millions in the process.
 
NRL has no legal power to stop John Hopoate coaching Manly Sea Eagles SG Ball team

Date: February 26, 2016 - 5:04PM

Darren Kane
Advocatus Diaboli

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Sidelined: John Hopoate has been stood down from coaching Manly's SG Ball team. Photo: James Brickwood

The Zen philosopher, Basho, once wrote: "a flute with no holes is not a flute; and a doughnut with no hole, is a Danish." Prophetic, yet patently obvious - a holeless flute is a bloody short pipe. Now, if only things were always that straightforward.

As has been well chronicled by many, the NRL has kiboshed any notion that former Manly player John Hopoate might coach the Sea Eagles under 18 representative team participating in the SG Ball competition. Curiously, it is the NSW Rugby League - not the NRL - that conducts the SG Ball each year. The NRL's threats of deducting premiership points, and imposing monetary fines escalating each week Hopoate continues to coach, might focus the thinking of even the most financially prosperous clubs. Yet Manly appear intent that the impasse should be resolved before the Supreme Court.

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In his playing days: John Hopoate takes the ball up for Manly against St George Illawarra in 2001.

The NRL's position is that Hopoate isn't a "fit and proper person" to be registered as a coach under the NRL's rules. That determination is underpinned by the NRL receiving information as to Hopoate's criminal record; his apparent associations with nefarious figures inhabiting the underworld of this fair city; and Hopoate's exclusion from The Star Casino by NSW Commissioner of Police, Andrew Scipione.

As to the last factor, the Casino Control Act indeed empowers the Police Commissioner to exclude someone from The Star. Even if they have never splashed cash onto green felt, a person can be excluded "in anticipation of" them attending the casino. Such an exclusion order cannot be reviewed, challenged or quashed by any court or tribunal. In other words, the Police Commissioner's powers under the Casino Control Act are absolute. While the legislation does not descend into limiting when the Commissioner can use these powers, it might reasonably be taken as read that these are laws reserved for the most serious matters.

So, one might suggest that - leaving aside the shenanigans of his chequered playing career - the NRL's view as to Hopoate's bona fides might hold water. But the issue here is not that of whether the NRL's banning of Hopoate is reasonable, or justifiable. Rather, the actions of the NRL in excluding Hopoate from Manly's SG Ball structure raises important questions about the scope of the NRL's rule-making and enforcement powers. Put simply, does the NRL have a carte blanche power to dictate to NRL clubs concerning non-NRL activities?

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Manly has issued NRL with a 48-hour deadline to resolve John Hopoate junior coaching saga
  • February 26, 2016
  • by Paul Crawley and Christian Nicolussi
  • Source: The Daily Telegraph
MANLY have issued the NRL with a 48-hour deadline to try and make peace with John Hopoate — or face the threat of Supreme Court action.

That was the clear message from Sea Eagles chief executive Joe Kelly on Thursday afternoon after the club sent a letter to ARL Commission chairman John Grant asking for “mediation” before the weekend.

The reason for the urgency is that Manly’s SG Ball team is due to play Canberra at Brookvale Oval on Saturday.

The Daily Telegraph understands there is still hope Hopoate could be back in charge of the under 18s team by then.

“We sent a letter to the NRL today seeking a mediation with respect to this matter and resolving it,” Kelly told The Daily Telegraph.

Asked what would be the likely outcome if there was no resolution, Kelly said: “We would have to consider our legal options.”

Hopoate’s barrister Julieanne Levick could not be contacted on Thursday night but earlier this week she reportedly urged Manly to “man up and back Hopoate 100 per cent”.

Asked if it was fair to say that the club was standing right behind Hopoate, Kelly said: “Yes.”

The NRL had previously threatened that the Sea Eagles could be fined and potentially stripped of NRL competition points if Hopoate was allowed to continue in his role.

NRL and Manly officials meet some weeks back with a detective inspector from the NSW police who expressed concerns about Hopoate mentoring teenagers.

The NRL did not respond on Thursday night but at the NRL season launch Grant told the media the door was open for Hopoate to return to the game.

“We have been very clear about the position we’ve taken,” Grant said.

“We have the responsibility and authority to do that.

“And Manly, as a member of the Commission and NRL club, have an obligation and responsibility in making sure the people they engage, we actually get the opportunity to approve.

“This goes back to the issues we had two years ago. The reason we have very tight registration process now is to make sure the right people are in the game.

“As I’ve said to Manly directly, that doesn’t preclude John from getting back into the game, but there’s got to be a plan.

“We’ve made a decision, we’ve asked them for a plan.

“It’s up to them about how they want to take this forward.”

But one part of the club’s argument relates to jurisdiction, and the fact that the NSW Rugby League is in charge of the SG Ball competition, and not the NRL.

Kelly again pointed out that Hopoate was hand-picked by the NRL last year to complete a high performance coaching course.

Hopoate said he paid $400 to do that course, which is designed to create a pathway to NRL coaching.

“Part of the resolution is to understand the NRL granting him a level two coaching certificate which gives John the right to be credited by the NSW Rugby League to coach SG Ball,” Kelly said.

“They have given him that which obviously gives him an opportunity to coach.

“But they then are suggesting that they won’t register him.

“And we actually disagreed with that position anyway (over jurisdiction).

“It is very much a legal matter in terms of who has jurisdiction.

“But secondly one of inconsistencies, where on the one hand he received a coaching certificate by the NRL and then they are not allowing him to coach.”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...k=9b9a0f64f0cf70873b5fe9b5ad0c9ff6-1456541961
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What I want to know is if Manly win at the Supreme Court will that make the NRL an unfit and improper organisation to be allowed to govern the league...and for that matter attend the Casino
 
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Banned coach John Hopoate sits out Manly Sea Eagles SG Ball clash

Date: February 27, 2016 - 5:20PM

Steve Zemek

Controversial figure John Hopoate was forced to watch on helplessly as the Manly under-18s copped yet another worrying loss on Saturday in Sydney.

The former NSW and international winger was not allowed to sit with the Sea Eagles' SG Ball coaches at Brookvale Oval but watched on in the adjacent box as the side copped a heavy 34-10 defeat to Canberra.

The Sea Eagles are locked in a tense stoush with the NRL after the governing body demanded he be stood down over concerns about his character.

Their disagreement looks headed for court after the NRL had knocked back an offer to go into mediation, with his barrister Julieanne Levick promising to instigate action on Monday in the Supreme Court.

Hopoate declined to talk when approached by AAP after the game.

He watched on alongside Manly patriarch Bob Fulton, high in the Brookvale stands, as the side suffered their second heavy defeat from their first two games.

Former South Sydney and Lebanon forward Darren Maroon stood in as coach as Hopoate was restricted to being an interested onlooker.

His son Bonnie captained the side, playing at centre and fullback.

AAP

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...sea-eagles-sg-ball-clash-20160227-gn5brl.html
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Manly Sea Eagles back banned coach John Hopoate to coach under-12s

Date: February 27, 2016 - 7:00PM



Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

Manly Sea Eagles insist John Hopoate will press ahead with his coaching career, as the mentor of the Beacon Hills Bears under-12s side.

Hopoate stood himself down as coach of the Sea Eagles' SG Ball team against Canberra on Saturday, handing the reins to another former player, Darren Maroon.

While Hopoate watched the Brookvale Oval clash from the sidelines, the move does not necessarily mark the cessation of hostilities with the NRL. Hopoate is expected to take his right to coach the SG Ball side to the Supreme Court this week, arguing the NRL has no jurisdiction over the NSWRL-run competition.

The NRL threatened the Sea Eagles with fines and the deduction of competition points after receiving advice from Wayne Walpole, a detective inspector from the NSW Police, regarding Hopoate's ban from Star City Casino.

However, Sea Eagles officials are frustrated the police, citing confidentiality issues, will not provide any specifics to back up their claims that Hopoate is unfit to mentor teens.

It is understood Hopoate believes the NRL's integrity boss, Nick Weeks, has a vendetta against him, while NRL chairman, John Grant, has intimated he could return if a rehabilitation plan is presented, although it is unclear what Hopoate needs to be rehabilitated from.

While Hopoate has, at least temporarily, backed away from coaching the under-18s, the club is backing him to the hilt to coach the Bears' under-12s team, which won its competition last year.

Brett Fulton, who oversees Manly's pathways programs and is the secretary of the Beacon Hills Bears, is adamant Hopoate will be the coach when the Bears open their season on April 2.

"Definitely, without a doubt," Fulton said. "There has been no evidence of any wrongdoing from John, it's all hearsay.

"The John we know is great with kids, he's worked with these kids for a long time and they look up to him," he said.

"It's like Nick Weeks and John Grant are channelling Kim Jong-il, it's like it's a dictatorship.

"They say he's guilty but can't tell you what of. It's Australia, not North Korea. They can't pin him with anything and that may be frustrating for them as well.

"You can't be guilty by association, that's my perspective. Wayne Walpole has said there is open-source material.

"Well, when I look on the internet all I can find is a mix of achievements, whether it's playing for Manly or Australia or winning a heavyweight boxing title.

"Or you can find some acts he was suspended for, but they were 20 years ago and you can't take much notice of that.

"The other thing is that he doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't gamble, he doesn't do drugs," Fulton added.

"If you're guilty by association, a lot of people would be in trouble in rugby league circles."

Fulton said Hopoate's players had responded positively to his coaching, pointing to the three premierships they had won during his four years in charge.

"It's not only what he's done with rugby league, but they also look up to him with his boxing and other achievements," he said.

"I've been with him all along as well and he's good with them.

"He obviously knows the game, it's not something that just comes with having a profile."


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...opoate-to-coach-under12s-20160227-gn5axt.html
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Ripper quotes from Brett Fulton. Good stuff.

Not a bad player in his day, but was behind international halves in the pecking order. Scott had an easier path at hooker.
 
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^ This one's my favourite: "They say he's guilty but can't tell you what of. It's Australia, not North Korea. They can't pin him with anything and that may be frustrating for them as well."
 
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Hubbard started that crazy pseudo religious nonsense that has Tom Cruise behaving out of his tree, didnt he?
I always thought it was that old mother that went to the cupboard?
RSPCA should be onto that wench.:p
 
"NRL chairman, John Grant, has intimated he could return if a rehabilitation plan is presented, although it is unclear what Hopoate needs to be rehabilitated from"

Time for Grant to move on. Sadly Brett Fulton's Kim Jong-Il comparison fits in this case. Grant's overseen huge amounts spent on appointing managers who've failed miserably. Ridiculous waste, making a huge loss AND seeing the game go backwards in many key indicators is not a good job resume for anyone. Six+ months to pick a replacement CEO? And leaving Greenberg with the keys? Seriously?

We've moved out of the Gallop era where all of the money in the game was systematically sucked out by News Ltd. Thanks for your part in that Grant. Job done. But time to move on now.
 

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