Trump

[Uber Eagle 72]

When Albo won the last Australian election by a landslide one of the predominant posters in this thread quite rightly referenced John Howard in saying the Australian People always get it right…..well what about the American People? Don’t they also always get it right? Trump won by a relative landslide as well as gaining a majority in all houses, effectively winning more decisively than even Obama. ( noting Obama did not have majorities in all houses) This says a hell of a lot! What it tells me is that a majority of the American people do not trust main stream media ( CNN, NBC etc) which appears to be feeding a lot of the debate here…..it tells me that the other side must be rotten to the core because Trump himself is certainly no saint by anyone’s yard stick … GOD or whoever atheists look up too help us…. all….

 

[lsz]

I disagree.
For the fact he was ever the Rep. candidate is amazing.

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia

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That is my point exactly. He operated without any consequences

 

[Brookie1973]

Politics [ in whatever context ] and non footy related general discussion aside , looks like Brookie 1973 "s support and fairly thorough knowledge of all things Manly goes back a long way and i find that a bonus on the site
Don 't claim to be the most perceptive of observers on here but highly doubt Brookie 1973 is a revamped Biff , quite a few subtle differences just from my basic recollection .
Just think that it good and definitely on the interesting side to have a real diverse range of opinions on here, footy related or not and of course as always , ideally on the civil side
Certainly do not have to agree or relate to what is said or even give complete attention to it but good again to have the differing views put out there .

Thanks Manly Al. I am most definitely not Biff, and would have proven it (and made some money for the site in the process) if 47MVEagle had been willing to back up his accusation when challenged. I have long since blocked him.

I agree, a diverse range of views is better than an echo chamber, but I have taken a step back from this thread because some of the recent posts were getting a tad spiteful. PS I enjoy your posts. Cheers.

 

[lsz]

When Albo won the last Australian election by a landslide one of the predominant posters in this thread quite rightly referenced John Howard in saying the Australian People always get it right…..well what about the American People? Don’t they also always get it right? Trump won by a relative landslide as well as gaining a majority in all houses, effectively winning more decisively than even Obama. ( noting Obama did not have majorities in all houses) This says a hell of a lot! What it tells me is that a majority of the American people do not trust main stream media ( CNN, NBC etc) which appears to be feeding a lot of the debate here…..it tells me that the other side must be rotten to the core because Trump himself is certainly no saint by anyone’s yard stick … GOD or whoever atheists look up too help us…. all….

It is important to look at the numbers.

Barack Obama	~22.7% (pop ~306M)	~31.7% (VEP ~219M)
Barack Obama	~20.8% (pop ~316M)	~28.6% (VEP ~231M)
Donald Trump	~19.4% (pop ~324M)	~27.4% (VEP ~230M)
Hillary Clinton	~20.3%	~28.6%
Joe Biden	~24.6% (pop ~331M)	~34.0% (VEP ~239M)
Donald Trump	~22.4%	~31.0%
Donald Trump	~23.1% (pop ~334M)	~31.6% (VEP ~245M)
Joe Biden	~22.5%	~30.6%

[td]

Candidate​

[/td][td]

Election Year​

[/td][td]

Votes (M)​

[/td][td]

% of Votes Cast​

[/td][td]

% of U.S. Population​

[/td][td]

% of Eligible Voters​

[/td]​

[td]

2008​

[/td][td]

69.5​

[/td][td]

52.90%​

[/td]​

[td]

2012​

[/td][td]

65.9​

[/td][td]

51.10%​

[/td]​

[td]

2016​

[/td][td]

62.98​

[/td][td]

46.10%​

[/td]​

[td]

2016​

[/td][td]

65.85​

[/td][td]

48.20%​

[/td]​

[td]

2020​

[/td][td]

81.3​

[/td][td]

51.30%​

[/td]​

[td]

2020​

[/td][td]

74.2​

[/td][td]

46.80%​

[/td]​

[td]

2024​

[/td][td]

77.3​

[/td][td]

49.80%​

[/td]​

[td]

2024​

[/td][td]

75​

[/td][td]

48.30%​

[/td]​

Sure it was an increase in his 2016 numbers but much like the people before him it is not exactly a mandate. Also considering the challenges some people have in voting it is not as simple as saying "well they should just vote"

What Trump did / does is keep his core of supporters and somehow managed to grow it amongst the same communities he is now targeting either through migration (like farmers who rely on cheap labour) or tariffs

 

[Eagle 1]

It is important to look at the numbers.

Barack Obama	~22.7% (pop ~306M)	~31.7% (VEP ~219M)
Barack Obama	~20.8% (pop ~316M)	~28.6% (VEP ~231M)
Donald Trump	~19.4% (pop ~324M)	~27.4% (VEP ~230M)
Hillary Clinton	~20.3%	~28.6%
Joe Biden	~24.6% (pop ~331M)	~34.0% (VEP ~239M)
Donald Trump	~22.4%	~31.0%
Donald Trump	~23.1% (pop ~334M)	~31.6% (VEP ~245M)
Joe Biden	~22.5%	~30.6%

[td]
Candidate​

[/td][td]
Election Year

[/td][td]
Votes (M)

[/td][td]
% of Votes Cast

[/td][td]
% of U.S. Population

[/td][td]
% of Eligible Voters​

[/td]​

[td]
2008

[/td][td]
69.5

[/td][td]
52.90%

[/td]
[td]
2012

[/td][td]
65.9

[/td][td]
51.10%

[/td]
[td]
2016

[/td][td]
62.98

[/td][td]
46.10%

[/td]
[td]
2016

[/td][td]
65.85

[/td][td]
48.20%

[/td]
[td]
2020

[/td][td]
81.3

[/td][td]
51.30%

[/td]
[td]
2020

[/td][td]
74.2

[/td][td]
46.80%

[/td]
[td]
2024

[/td][td]
77.3

[/td][td]
49.80%

[/td]
[td]
2024

[/td][td]
75

[/td][td]
48.30%

[/td]​

Sure it was an increase in his 2016 numbers but much like the people before him it is not exactly a mandate. Also considering the challenges some people have in voting it is not as simple as saying "well they should just vote"

What Trump did / does is keep his core of supporters and somehow managed to grow it amongst the same communities he is now targeting either through migration (like farmers who rely on cheap labour) or tariffs

Think you'll find Iza, the vast majority of immigrants ( legal ones ) who provided cheap labour and settled in the US and became citizens voted for Trump. They could see what was going to happen to their low paid jobs... to go even lower.

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

It is important to look at the numbers.

Barack Obama	~22.7% (pop ~306M)	~31.7% (VEP ~219M)
Barack Obama	~20.8% (pop ~316M)	~28.6% (VEP ~231M)
Donald Trump	~19.4% (pop ~324M)	~27.4% (VEP ~230M)
Hillary Clinton	~20.3%	~28.6%
Joe Biden	~24.6% (pop ~331M)	~34.0% (VEP ~239M)
Donald Trump	~22.4%	~31.0%
Donald Trump	~23.1% (pop ~334M)	~31.6% (VEP ~245M)
Joe Biden	~22.5%	~30.6%

[td]
Candidate


[/td][td]

Election Year



[/td][td]

Votes (M)



[/td][td]

% of Votes Cast



[/td][td]

% of U.S. Population



[/td][td]

% of Eligible Voters

[/td]​

[td]
2008

[/td][td]
69.5

[/td][td]
52.90%

[/td]
[td]
2012

[/td][td]
65.9

[/td][td]
51.10%

[/td]
[td]
2016

[/td][td]
62.98

[/td][td]
46.10%

[/td]
[td]
2016

[/td][td]
65.85

[/td][td]
48.20%

[/td]
[td]
2020

[/td][td]
81.3

[/td][td]
51.30%

[/td]
[td]
2020

[/td][td]
74.2

[/td][td]
46.80%

[/td]
[td]
2024

[/td][td]
77.3

[/td][td]
49.80%

[/td]
[td]
2024

[/td][td]
75

[/td][td]
48.30%

[/td]​

Sure it was an increase in his 2016 numbers but much like the people before him it is not exactly a mandate. Also considering the challenges some people have in voting it is not as simple as saying "well they should just vote"

What Trump did / does is keep his core of supporters and somehow managed to grow it amongst the same communities he is now targeting either through migration (like farmers who rely on cheap labour) or tariffs

All good but the point I am making is that Trump has control of both chambers something I believe Obama did not achieve. It’s the biggest and most effective endorsement a candidate can receive…. trump achieved this with all those court cases and allegations against him, the bulk of the main stream media ( except Fox) completely against him, assignation attempts and with a significantly smaller campaign budget than the democrats who apparently spent close to a $billion. This is an unprecedented victory and imo says more about how bad the Democrats are as opposed to Trumps efforts….

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

This is an unprecedented victory and imo says more about bad the Democrats are than Trumps efforts….

I agree. Even some of Trump's own supporters know he's a dishonest arsehole but still voted for him, says it all about how they've lost faith in the system.

 

[Brookie1973]

 

[lsz]

All good but the point I am making is that Trump has control of both chambers something I believe Obama did not achieve. It’s the biggest and most effective endorsement a candidate can receive…. trump achieved this with all those court cases and allegations against him, the bulk of the main stream media ( except Fox) completely against him, assignation attempts and with a significantly smaller campaign budget than the democrats who apparently spent close to a $billion. This is an unprecedented victory and imo says more about how bad the Democrats are as opposed to Trumps efforts….

He sure did in his first term...just like Biden did.

Years	Party in Control	Also Held Presidency?
2005–2006	Republican	Yes (George W. Bush)
2007–2008	Democrat	No (Bush was President)
2009–2010	Democrat	Yes (Barack Obama)
2017–2018	Republican	Yes (Donald Trump)
2021–2022	Democrat	Yes (Joe Biden)

I think as impressive as Trumps victory was (and I completely acknowledge that it was impressive considering his actions from Jan 6 on) I also think the failure of the democrats in first nominating Biden then the late transfer to special K also had a large impact.

 

[lsz]

Think you'll find Iza, the vast majority of immigrants ( legal ones ) who provided cheap labour and settled in the US and became citizens voted for Trump. They could see what was going to happen to their low paid jobs... to go even lower.

I am not sure that was the motivation but agree re immigrants (even though the dems won the hispanic vote it was closer than before)

In a completely meaningless survey my immigrant relatives who had been democrat voters their whole lives voted for Trump as their view was the borders needed to be closed

 

[lsz]

Honestly you can not expect me to view anything these two put out there....

I mean 58 seconds in and we get the "the left has been trying to shove communism and marxism etc..)

 

[Uber Eagle 72]

He sure did in his first term...just like Biden did.

Years	Party in Control	Also Held Presidency?
2005–2006	Republican	Yes (George W. Bush)
2007–2008	Democrat	No (Bush was President)
2009–2010	Democrat	Yes (Barack Obama)
2017–2018	Republican	Yes (Donald Trump)
2021–2022	Democrat	Yes (Joe Biden)

I think as impressive as Trumps victory was (and I completely acknowledge that it was impressive considering his actions from Jan 6 on) I also think the failure of the democrats in first nominating Biden then the late transfer to special K also had a large impact.

Noted. American politics is certainly messy. Just come across this piece of information claiming that during Obama’s tenure he effectively held both houses for a total of only 4 months during his two terms… but to be honest I always thought he never was in that position. I would say Trump is in a much better position than this…When Obama Had "Total Control of Congress"